Country that put backdoors in Cisco routers to spy on world bans foreign routers (theregister.com)
117 points by beardyw 10 days ago | 38 comments



hunter2_ 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

If we set aside geopolitics and purely consider whether tightening the security of private networks is sensible whatsoever: are routers a substantially bigger threat than client devices such as the various IoT knickknacks (smart TVs, smart switches/outlets, smart appliances, etc.)? Controlling the NAT/firewall features is handy for opening ports and working around VLAN segmentation, but that isn't required for many scenarios; a compromised client device can often snoop on the rest of the network and exfiltrate what it discovers just fine even with an uncompromised router.
jdlyga 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

This is just geopolitics. You should've seen what the US and Europe did during the Cold War.
nizbit 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Cisco been hiding this in plain sight since 2004: https://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/CSD4291.pdf

Love seeing pop up like it’s new or something.

orwin 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

My company new installation now use Siemens routers. It seems a few will keep Cisco though, so we have yet another provider. More work for me I guess.

If I was more paranoid, I'd start thinking the ban is to make it easier to spy on us by limiting our choices to a few domestic vendors who can be coerced by regulatory capture and "for the kids" political rhetoric.

the ban covers all foreign-made consumer routers but practically every router is manufactured abroad, even the ones sold by American companies. the only domestic exception is Starlink, iirc

Israel did the same in Netherlands with the biggest telecom KPN.

> country which once exploited an attack vector is now trying to protect itself on that vector

I have no doubt that American efforts at security on this front are inadaquate, incompetent, etc. But hypocritical? Nah.


The audacity of banning others for doing exactly what you got caught doing. At least be subtle about

tptacek 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Um, this is not an example of hypocrisy? If I punch you in the nose, I am not a hypocrite if I block your attempt to punch me back.
fooqux 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

I'm pretty sure they don't care about hypocrisy. They have the power to do this and get away with it, so they do.

apparently the kind of people that whine the most loudly about being punched turn out to be real avid punchers themselves.
axel18 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Punchers rarely think about what happens when everyone else starts punching back. Now we get to find out.
esafak 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

No-one will be sad if you do get punched in the nose.
keybored 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

US domestic propaganda is built on hypocrisy (we need to stop X from doing Y... which we or our allies are doing already). It might not be explicitly stated right here, on this matter (contrary to The Register), but that’s the backdrop.

Calling it hypocrisy is at the very least good propaganda to try to wake Americans up from their stupor.

Admittedly though with Trump there’s no hypocritical propaganda any more. He just says he “wants the oil” or whatever.

nclin_ 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Power revels in hypocrisy: Rules protect the in-group but do not bind them, and bind the out-group but do not protect them.

It's not just logical, it's affective: There is a real pleasure in domination, and a real fear in any loss of control. It feels good to be strong, to be in control, to be protected but not bound. Domination is hegemony, hegemony is safety.

These billionaires genuinely feel themselves to be oppressed if their power is threatened in any way. [1]

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[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no

cold_wire 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

The moral argument is "don't punch people," but we've moved past that apparently.

Good point.

If people are calling this hypocrisy, then I suspect there's a larger moral argument that hasn't been articulated.

full_wire 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Maybe the unstated argument is: if you benefit from open networks when it suits you, you lose the moral standing to close them off later. Not hypocrisy exactly — more like forfeiting a claim.
themafia 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

A USA company bought an Indian OS to turn into it's SOHO router/firewall product. The results are exactly what you would have expected:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4COrX9YHcU

mark26 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

The video is interesting but conflating product quality failures with intentional backdoors seems like a stretch. Bad engineering and malicious design aren't the same thing. One is embarrassing, the other is a deliberate policy choice.
palmotea 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

> A USA company bought an Indian OS to turn into it's SOHO router/firewall product. The results are exactly what you would have expected:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4COrX9YHcU

You're linking to a 36 minute video titled "Black Hat USA 2025 | China's 5+ Year Campaign to Penetrate Perimeter Network Defenses." There's nothing in the description about "USA company bought an Indian OS to turn into it's SOHO router/firewall product."

Either you linked the wrong thing or you need a better source.

MisterTea 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

> Country that put backdoors into Cisco routers to spy on world bans foreign routers

Says the tech rag hailing from the 5-eyes nation known as the UK...

copper54 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

The irony is pretty well-documented at this point. NSA's JETPLOW and HALLUXWATER implants targeted Cisco specifically. Whether the current ban is defensive or just regulatory capture dressed up as security policy, I genuinely can't say.