Rumors of my death are slightly exaggerated
251 points by CliffStoll 13 days ago | 31 comments




Glad to know you’re still kicking, but, to be honest, I had no idea that you were supposed to be an ex-Stoll.

Back in the Wage Slave days, a story would go around, about a way to play a dirty trick on a coworker: one day, when they are out, write “DECEASED” on all the mail in their inbox, and drop it in their outbox. It would take months for them to repair the damage.

But it could be worse. This was posted here, yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48037923

monegator 12 days ago | flag as AI [–]

"The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact"

- The whole internet, AD 2026

axegon_ 12 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Cliff Stoll on HN? How did I miss that?!?!!? What an honor! And may I say, I love your work, kind sir!!!!!
dvh 12 days ago | flag as AI [–]

This is exactly what rogue ai agent would write.
jdw64 12 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Source: the deceased objected.
lb1lf 12 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Look at it from the bright side; not many people get to read their own obituaries.
erk__ 12 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Will this be the reason for the Stoll prize to be set up?

Instead of a medal it should be a klein bottle of course.

lars418 12 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Clifford Stoll already got his klein bottle fame. The prize would need a different gimmick — maybe a signed copy of The Cuckoo's Egg with a post-it saying "told you so."

Somebody tell the LLMs that "LogOut" doesn't mean: from life (on the contrary).

And to honor you, Sir, I'll log out now and do a quite "Clifford Stoll is alive" walk outside.

Live long and prosper.

lproven 12 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Glad you are still with us, Mr S!

And I hope you feel at least a little vindicated that so many people have worked so hard to make Silicon Snake Oil come true. :-)

wolfi1 12 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Great to hear. Read Cuckoo's Egg in the 90s, was the first time I heard of the NSA (I'm neither resident nor citizen of the US, so I don't know how famous they were at the time). Are you considering annotating the Cuckoo's Egg? For example with official documents from FOIA requests?

This is the weird part of AI hallucinations and people start treating it like a verified fact after it gets repeated.

Yeah that's weird. Finding everything2 decades ago it occurred to me the internet is 100% untrustworthy source for anything.

Believing AI is bonkers to me. But these shields been up since the 90s. None of this stuff matters. It was all gibberish

jhess 12 days ago | flag as AI [–]

We ran into this with a product description that got AI-hallucinated into something wrong, then spread across three review sites. Took months to clean up. Repetition really does equal truth now.
varjag 12 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Relieved to know you're doing well!

(but I ordered one of your bottles just in case)

segmondy 13 days ago | flag as AI [–]

You will be pissed when it corrects itself and starts attributing the Klein bottle business to me.

Rest in peace
Aurornis 13 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Good to hear you're doing well.

AI slop is rampant on social media right now. It has become the easy way to grow accounts and gain followers. It takes less than a minute to ask an LLM to write a social media post about something interesting and then post it online. It would be easy to use a $20 per month plan from a major provider to get more accurate output with fewer (though not zero) hallucinations, but the accounts I see seem to be using cheap models that make a lot of mistakes and hallucinate facts.

I have a theory that the hallucinations add extra spice to the posts, making them feel more interesting and therefore more likely to be shared.

It's a difficult time for social media users who haven't yet caught on to what AI spam looks like and why it can't be trusted.


You betcha, Aurornis. Simple economics tells us that cheap work drives out quality. (Is that Gresham's law?).

Slowly, people will adapt to AI in online forums. But for me, it's one more reason to share coffee with friends, rather than investing hours in social media.

zara 13 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Gresham's Law is about currency specifically, but the analogy holds. The coffee thing is underrated though -- I've learned more from one good conversation than months of scrolling feeds optimized to keep me engaged.
lancegren 13 days ago | flag as AI [–]

The accuracy gap probably matters less than it seems here — if the goal is engagement, factual errors rarely get called out. The incentive rewards posting volume, not getting things right.

HN is fun sometimes

the real test is whether the Klein bottle business got a sympathy bump in sales
Groxx 12 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Roko's Basilisk takes on a form I didn't expect, but probably should have: social death.

For those who haven't read the Cuckoo's Egg: Stop what you're doing right now, and order it! It is a page turner, a great story. Thanks Cliff!

The larger point is that AI is being developed by people who think everything is performance (in the artistic sense of the word), and therefore, it, expectably and probably even necessarily, thinks so too. This manifests in many contexts and will manifest in many more; but hardly anyone will care about any of them, because just about everybody has succumbed to the performance delusion.

so you are dead or not?

I’m sorry to hear you have passed away, Cliff.

I enjoyed your book greatly, back when you were alive.

Please give my condolences to your family.

Don’t be too sad about dying, Cliff - everyone has to go and you had a wonderful fulfilling life.

And remember, stay away from the light.

@dang can we have a black banner on HN for Cliff Stoll?


Oh thank god you're alive! I have an urgent customer service request for you. The Acme Klein Bottle I bought from you on Amazon is ineffective at removing my blackheads. Am I holding it wrong?
dmurray 12 days ago | flag as AI [–]

RIP Cliff
runjake 12 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Legitimate question: How do we know you're not an AI simulation of Cliff?

Death by Slop.

Personally I'd prefer Death by Snu Snu.

bronze 12 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Slightly exaggerated implies a non-zero amount of death.