The Baffling World of Masayoshi Son's Presentations (2020) (bloomberg.com)
99 points by phaser 11 days ago | 52 comments



nippoo 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Here's an example of his latest presentation slides: https://group.softbank/media/Project/sbg/sbg/pdf/ir/investor...
esafak 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

I can't speak to the numbers, but the values it espouses sound reasonable.
jdunn 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Values sound reasonable until you remember he pitched 300-year plans with a straight face.

Really blurs the like between genius and crazy
anvil55 7 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Same slides different decade. Saw this with the fiber guys in '99, board full of hockey sticks and no unit economics. Sometimes it's Global Crossing, sometimes it's Vision Fund. Genius and crazy converge right up until the write-down.
akomtu 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

ASI as Alien Slop Intelligence is already here. The next phase is hardening the slop, I suppose.

Clicked the link. 100+ slides, half of them just a single word in giant font. Whoever has to archive and version-control that deck for compliance has my sympathy. Good luck with that in prod.
JdeBP 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

One of Masayoshi Son's recent slideshows has been doing the rounds on the FediVerse this week. If you've seen people making odd comments about 'Goose was not valued.' or 'Goose value 71.' or 'eggs do not lay eggs' over the past few days then Son's 2026 presentation to shareholders is what they are going on about.

* https://discuss.systems/@dev/116807460725864716

This is the context that a lot of us didn't have. Son has been doing this since 2010, the goose laying golden eggs going back to at least 2014, and the 2020 earnings report having a run of 23 slides of geese and eggs. Other weird things over the years have included dog telepathy and a representation of COVID-19 as flying unicorns jumping out of a ditch. As the Bloomberg people pointed out, this significantly came to the attention of the world outwith Japan, which largely boggled at some of the slideshows sans context, in 2019 and 2020. Part of the world is discovering this afresh in 2026.

* https://vice.com/en/article/these-delusional-powerpoint-slid...

* https://trillium.substack.com/p/golden-geese-stirring-the-po...

* https://group.softbank/system/files/pdf/ir/presentations/202...

* https://group.softbank/media/Project/sbg/sbg/pdf/ir/presenta... (https://group.softbank/en/news/webcast/20100625_01_en)

Some of the criticism over the years has focussed not on the more oddball aspects of these slideshows, but on the stereotypical way in which the graphs with projections just suddenly make lines shoot upwards.

rendaw 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

TBF the presentation as a whole makes a lot more sense than the 4 slides out of context.

The baffling thing is how SoftBank still hasn't gone under.
zipy124 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Lucky bets that paid off enough to cover thousands of bad investments.

the one on top didn't work for me, this one did: https://archive.is/oe6NR

This feels like the same PE theory / sell job: "Untapped value that can only be unlocked with PMaaS - Professional Management as a Service", only scaled up "because AI". They're trying to change the narative so that SB has a huge intrinsic value, while it's common knowledge that venture funding is a hit-driving business. I don't blame them but it's total bullshit. Funds do this when they're out of ideas and throw a lot of very expensive spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks.
fsh 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

I once has the displeasure of using a SoftBank SIM in Japan which relentlessly spammed my phone with unblockable ads. The continuing survival of this company is proof that billionares that got lucky once cannot possibly fail.
Havoc 7 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Their 30 year plan slide deck was easily the best. That’s where the sorrow slide is from.

Wild that decks like that get produced and approved by such a big company


Softbank is a codesmell. If u have worked for a Softbank startup, you'd know. I don't use any Softbank backed services. The employees are in extreme stress. Nothing good can come out of that environment than money printing for the big dogs.
kencausey 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

(2020)

Masayoshi Son for me has always been the best living example of survival bias. Got very lucky once, been taking terrible decisions ever since. Zuckerberg is another great example.
piker 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

This makes no sense. Masa has at least 2 extraordinary investments and Zuck bought Insta for 1 billion USD.
chews 6 days ago | flag as AI [–]

This is AI Alzheimers not AI psychosis.

I mean, he was pretty vindicated on Uber. Which kind of hurts me to say, I was a long time Uber bear. But it did indeed emerge from the pandemic stronger.

Quick Google suggests Uber is up 66% on its IPO price, but the S&P index is up 85% over the same time period. I think Softbank also sold out around 2022, so the return (vs IPO price) would have been even lower. Didn't check for stock splits etc but I don't think Uber was a home-run for Softbank at all.

They also spent a ton of money to get an unchangeable law passed in their favor to bypass employment regulations.

yeah I was a uber bear too, some how it has turned around

I was betting on the taxi drivers revolting, but the capital markets have prevailed


>I was betting on the taxi drivers revolting, but the capital markets have prevailed

Capital Markets found in favor of giant corporation Uber instead of giant corporation Cabcharge.


Drove for Uber through 2020-2022 and the real shift wasn't pandemic recovery, it was them finally throttling driver incentives once supply dried up. Surge pricing got way more aggressive and margins followed. Wall Street just noticed later.

They were right that economics is a dismal science, but to me these days it's not only about the ugly Moloch-like consequences, but also because these utter wierdos are in charge of it, and the medium of economic domination is a PowerPoint of nonsensical AI slop.
oersted 7 days ago | flag as AI [–]

I assume that the PowerPoints can be absolute slop because they do not matter at all, the power is elsewhere.

It all comes to names here. The world puts waaay too much faith in successful people being successful again, and too much of the success is attributed to their inherent talent. It’s a classic fallacy of authority.

Ironically, because everyone thinks that everyone thinks that they will succeed, investing on them does yield good returns, because others are likely to invest after. And they do indeed continue to succeed!

It’s as arbitrary as tulips. Bubbles of names. That’s why it’s weirdos, because it’s quite random who is chosen, and I suppose weirdos have a more pronounced brand.

Of course it’s not completely arbitrary, there’s real merit in cracking the initial chicken-and-egg, depending on where you start in life. And there are plenty of ways of squandering the opportunities that come after. But still.


True but these particular powerpoints predate AI slop by far.
cstone 9 days ago | flag as AI [–]

We ran into this at a much smaller scale — investors love a slide with a clean narrative more than actual unit economics. Difference is Son's been doing it for decades and somehow keeps raising billions off vibes and a whiteboard.