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I was not expecting the part where Fable produces a passable 3Blue1Brown-style explainer video of the algorithms it just implemented that sounds like it's narrated by a character from Dora the Explorer.
Saw this movie before, just different reels. Xtranormal did auto-generated explainer videos back in 2010, PowerPoint narrators before that. Novelty wears off fast once you notice the voice never gets the emphasis right on the third watch.
The voice matching kids'-show cadence is probably just whatever TTS model got RLHF'd toward friendly narration, not anything Fable specifically tuned. The harder problem is the Manim-style animation synthesis itself, and I haven't seen good benchmarks for how reliable that actually is.
Im building some music playback software and am currently struggling with the implementation of a spectrum analyzer to visualize the music.
This is incredible stuff and I learned a lot. Well done sir.
Ps, also mourning the loss of Fable! It sorted out a 3 month bug hunt odyssey in 3 days. For a somewhat novel problem in a pretty niche area (DSD DoP audio crackle problems during certain playback edge cases).
Fable was quite relentless, it was fun watching it work. I described my lisp interpreter project's short term plans and long term roadmap, Fable thought for like 20 minutes then just told me it was all "inevitable" and started working on the stuff. Ever since then I started to picture Fable as some kind of Terminator.
Left me that code and a massive code review that unfortunately didn't contain any of the I/O and memory safety hardening I wanted. I haven't fully reviewed the code yet. I get a little sad when I read it. Not a US citizen so I'm not sure I'll ever get to use a state of the art model again.
That was my experience with Fable as well. Pulled my extremely complex project that I could squint and see was possible, but actually put mathematical concreteness to things in a way I could only intuit.
On the flip side, visualizers have always fascinated me. I love this one, but one build off I've always wanted to see: analyze the entire file a priori, and then generate the visuals. Sort of like a normalization pass, but getting longer form structures decoded ahead of time could be pretty neat.
I've been planning exactly what you describe in that second paragraph for creating videos for the music I make. It's a lot easier than doing it realtime, and because I make the music, I'm planning on doing it multi-track so I can put individual stems in.
My Fable example is not nearly as cool but still (to me) impressive.
Last year, I would occasionally test the latest models by vibe-coding in-browser music generators using only HTML, CSS, and JS. Here’s one made in July by Gemini:
Just for reference, here is the metaprompt I first gave to Opus:
“I want to ask Claude Code to write a browser-based synthesizer for me. Please prepare a prompt for it that I can give to it for it to write the synthesizer. The synthesizer should automatically create interesting polyphonic music in which the various voices play off against each other in both harmony and contrast. The controls will affect the tone, rhythmic patterns, number of voices, complexity and randomness of the melodies, and other features. The controlled features should be original—not just standard synthesizer functions—and encourage creative explorations even by naive users. So write a prompt that I can give to Claude Code to create that synthesizer.”
I then gave the prompt produced by Opus to Fable in Claude Code.
One of the weaknesses of the video is that there are artifacts in the narration of passing through a text layer. "Bass" is pronounced as the fish at one point. "Wound" is pronounced as the injury. It's clear that these are homonyms of what was actually intended by the script.
Bet nobody flagged it before ship because nobody QA's the audio track, just the video. Same reason prod alerts get muted after the third false positive. Least surprising part of the whole post honestly.
Those are the things that can be most clearly pointed out but the (wrong) meaning is also constantly asserted by the TTS voice using the wrong inflection, intonation, and emphasis.
It honestly makes my ears bleed. To me, it sounds like an extremely unintelligent person reading a teleprompter. Absolutely nothing going on between the ears.
That generated video was eye opening for me. I've been using Opus in Claude Code for studying and at work, but it never occurred to me to use 3b1b's excellent python library for generating maths visualisations to let it generate such good graphical demonstrations.
Did you consider some kind of arrangement of the notes that is less "equal-tempered", and that would highlight the harmonic relationship between the notes? probably would need to be key-specific.. or maybe rather now would you that fable is back?
> This model doesn't shy away from drawing upon all its knowledge. It casually refers to alpha premultiplication and fundamental frequencies in the same breath. It is fond of acronyms.
Yes - I had Fable tackle some long-standing bugs in some code I had and I quickly lost track of what it was talking about and had to ask a lot of clarifying questions.
It killed my bugs like they were nothing though. Opus and even GPT5.5 had churned on these same things for ages, but even with my manual help we made no progress.
It felt like they weren't the slightest bit challenging for Fable. So glad to see it back!
>The writing is also literary. It draws an analogy between the 12 musical pitch classes and the 12 markings on a clock. Noise lingers. Material surges off the rim.
I absolutely hate this revolting writing style by LLMs
It’s like an angsty book written by a teenager with only a middle-school level understanding of the world: throwing a few completely random words in there to sound smart.
Hard to believe that something that writes so terribly is so good at mathematics, given that writing non-slop must be at least some part formulaic.
Kinda interesting how its just like a FFT chart in a circle but perhaps the author is not aware that is the case. Would be curious to know what things were "implmentation details" for the fancy AI and what wasn't.
I could be wrong but milkdrop already would do light FFT analysis for effects right?
Pretty sure the author is aware. I think the interesting part is that the frequency is logarithmic and one rotation = 2x. This means you can make musical observations about chord qualities from the plot. That's not generally true for FFT plots.
You are right, it is cool idea in general. But, idk if we are seeing the same thing, in practice it ends up being kinda mushy looking right? In part, I think, because like its not rooted by a given root note, so at best we end up seeing constantly rotating, slightly different clock arrangements. Even in ideal conditions, anything like, e.g., Cmaj7 to Em is going to look almost the same, which feels off given the perceived harmonic change. I don't know if the arrangements being the same after transposition is as much a feature as a bug I guess.
I may have been overselling the AI's initiative in the article -- it still required a fair bit of steering. I put most of the prompts involved here: https://saltblock.neynt.ca/waveloop-prompts.md
Wrapping FFT in a log2(freq) % 1 spiral was part of the human direction :)
I suggest you watch the explainer video the ai made, its pretty awesome, but yeah, thats exactly what it is, with some depth to how exactly it uses FFT, and solving some problems with getting good resolution on different frequencies
I'm also curious about the implementation details, the result is visually beautiful, but the code could be interesting too, at least as a 'Fable hystorical artifact'. Is it visible on github?
That Fable Generated video is something else... wow I love it.. along with the app
Anyone who says LLMs can't reproduce intelligence I mean really? can you make this? its not just a talking database guys or a stochastic parrot...
too bad Fable was nerfed/gatekept by the Trump corruption selection committee..but the technology will not be silenced.. we just need to get humans ready for this capabilities. the jury is out on the future of that.
Thought this might be about the video game series, and even after seeing "Fable 5" my first reaction was "wow, up to 5 already?". It looks like they made it up to Fable III before rebooting the series with a 4th game (well, it's not out yet), so there is no Fable 5 yet.
TFA seems to be about some AI thing. Crazy how many words are actually just AI things now. Learning, reinforcement, language, model...
Ran a tiny agency for a few years and this tracks with what we saw internally. The stuff Fable is actually good for isn't replacing the senior dev, it's letting one person poke at math-heavy ideas they'd normally punt on due to time. Doesn't change headcount math much yet, but it's real leverage.
Nods knowingly. Yes, of course. I definitely know this.