Daisugi, the Japanese technique of growing trees out of other trees (2020) (openculture.com)
168 points by MaysonL 8 days ago | 55 comments



ksymph 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

The article is pretty light on details. Essentially, the tree is first pruned to create a wide and sturdy base; once that's stable, subsequent shoots from the branches are pruned to grow vertically. The technique relies on this particular variety of cedar which tends to grow vertically but can also be made to spread out a bit. It has some advantages in space-saving and efficiency but it's also very labor-intensive.
wxw 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

I don't quite understand -- what is it about this technique that makes the trees grow perfectly straight and why is

> the lumber produced in this method is 140% as flexible as standard cedar and 200% as dense/strong,

?




Isn't this just Pollarding and/or Coppicing, which have been practiced for at least 2000 years in Europe (and probably many other cultures as well), with a healthy dose of orientalism added on top?

Please link a photo of a coppice/pollard in Europe that's as straight as this, along with the location where I can see it.

If you do, I have got a great new travel destination. If you don't then everyone else (and hopefully you too) will understand why people think this is special enough to link beyond the fact that it happens to be in Japan.

zara587 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Saw same argument play out with bonsai vs European espalier training in the 90s. Technique parity doesn't matter, marketing and centuries of documentation do.
stymaar 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Are coppicing and pollarding used at all to produce timber? I had the impression that it was done only to make firewood, and was cut repeatedly without letting it grow like described in the article.
swolfe 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Actually oak pollarding in England was used for shipbuilding timber, not just firewood. Coppicing though, yeah, mostly fuel and small poles. Different growth habits, different end uses.

Looks more advanced than simple pollarding. I have never seen this kind of straight, tall tree tops in Europe. If it exists I would like to know!

Yes, it's exactly it. But call it 'giant bonsai', and it sounds like a new discovery.

Yes it is.

It's not limited to Japan. The French call them 'trognes'

https://www.agroforesterie.fr/la-trogne-arbre-paysan-aux-mil...

Other countries do it too :

https://trognes.fr/trognes/trognes-a-travers-le-monde/

quirkot 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

In english this is called pollarding a tree. Historically it has been used for smaller wood pieces (firewood, etc). It's fuctionally different [from daisugi] because you don't get construction grade timber from it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollarding

[edit: clarification]


Im confused.. wouldnt this be suspect to a weight limit - as the full stem would weigh on the carrying "tree" - especially during wind and storms?
boudin 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

When doing coppicing it's definitely something to be careful with. Once started, the trees needs to be cared for regularly. E.g. on the ash trees I have, it needs to be "harvested" every 8 to 9 years. If you fail to do that there's the risk of the tree splitting because of the weight but also branches breaking indeed in case of storms.

It's cute because it's trees.

Somehow I keep thinking Mad Max where women were kept just to produce baby and milk, or Alien where alien "subtree" sprouted from human "tree".

I guess nature/human is cruel?


Yeah I kinda feel bad for the trees but they probably don't care
cipher 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Pruned sugi like this on a coppice restoration job in Kyoto prefecture. The mother tree actually lives longer than unpruned ones nearby, less strain from its own canopy weight than you'd think.

I thought this was the name of a new startup

An ad or something on this page attempted to load a link in an app I did not have

Interesting technique, horrible article. Manages to convey significantly less information than the X thread it mined for ad revenue.

https://xcancel.com/wrathofgnon/status/1250287741247426565

dang 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Not sure that's entirely fair - openculture.com is usually pretty good, and the article draws on multiple sources. But I take your word for it that the twitter thread is good and have added it to the top text.

tom631 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Article aggregates thread, complains article aggregates thread. HN in a nutshell.
axel51 8 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Calling this "just pollarding" misses the point. Pollarding's about regrowth for fuel or fodder, daisugi's shoots grow decades into straight, knot-free timber while the trunk stays put.