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> In one case at a high school, the officer used a glove on a student for "noncompliance." In the other, Cvitanov said, the gloves were used on a student who "was trying to get into the school that shouldn't have been there."
Horrifying life-or-death examples here. I totally understand the use of $1500 shock devices on schoolchildren now, looks like the lives of these officers were on the line and they were forced to use them as a last-ditch effort.
I'm looking forward to the rollout of shock collars for automated dispensing of justice on these evil monsters, such as kids who say 'no' or try to get into their school when the officer doesn't want them to. Wouldn't want the cops to put themselves in danger by approaching these future violent criminals.
Remember - these examples were probably selected as the best at showing why these gloves are so necessary. They're putting their best foot forward here.
Setting aside the morality of these vs other force options, these run at $1650/pair if I’m reading it correctly - $66k for 40. Anyone else find it like an insane amount of money for a device that’s so simple?
There's actual literature on this from CEW/taser research (Kroll, Ho et al.) showing calibration and safety testing isn't trivial or cheap - current waveform limits came from years of cardiac safety studies. Doesn't mean $1650 is justified, but "just calibrate it yourself" undersells the engineering.
Main question is how many pairs you will ever sell.
Explaining it in terms of software. How much would you charge per copy for software that takes team of 10 to run as business if you sell only say 10 copies, or 100, or even 1000? Quite a lot per copy.
Same math killed every niche hardware vendor selling into gov/enforcement. Taser had this problem in the 90s, jacked prices to cover liability and low volume. Sequent, Thinking Machines too, different market same curve. Low volume plus support burden always prices like this.
> I want the police to have a lot of options available to them, to avoid the “everything looks like a nail” problem.
That was the idea behind tasers - that they'd reduce use of guns.
In reality, they now get used in scenarios where less (or no) force used to be more normal. Why learn de-escalation techniques when you can just shoot a taser?
> A critical research question is whether officers can become too reliant on CEDs. During interviews with officers and trainers, the researchers heard comments that hinted at a "lazy cop syndrome." Some officers may turn to a CED too early in an encounter and may rely on a CED rather than on their conflict resolution skills or even on hands-on applications.
That's because they are extraordinarily suitable as covert torture devices. When government officials use them to inflict pain, they do not leave physical evidence and the only video evidence from filming the interaction is how long hands were on the detainee.
Couldn’t put my finger on it, that’s what it is. Unlike a baton or pepper spray, this leaves no marks and has no distinct visual signature when being used. I bet these (or more likely AliExpress knockoffs) become really popular with club bouncers.
I wonder if the device logs each activation like a Taser does?
I always though in order to be able use these gadgets, The user should be required to submit themselves to its use on themselves.
That includes stun guns and these hand shock gadgets.
We had a policy at a warehouse job I worked, forklift safety gear you had to test on yourself before issuing to crews. Cut incident reports way down. Cops resisting that on shock gloves tells you plenty about how confident they are in "safe."
Censorship BS? This is being discussed in every social forum in the country. Divisive topics == divisive attitudes, and in exchange for peace some of us are fine with not talking about some shit in some places.
Dang and team are walking a fine line - telling them to get stuffed is inappropriate and illustrative of why this is a problem in the first place.
edit: Ohhhhhhh the /u is donkey_brains; did I take the troll bait? jfc I hate this timeline
Ah yes. This was the future they envisioned. Nothing cruel and unusual about this. Because it’s not “punishment” - just incidental assault during the booking process.
> method to gain control of a subject through pain compliance
Yes, because they normalize the escalation to violence/to torture for coercion over de-escalation/actual policing while removing the optics issue of visibly using direct violence/torture on random citizens when using a Taser.
Not really, because the whole idea is to have it used in discrete manner, a taser will be obvious and mostly recorded and shared online, plus once used there’s some time needed to reuse it again (the taser gun), those on the other hand, are discrete and can be used on multiple people quickly. The forced military draft will be “fun” to watch in the US!
> In 2022, Assistant Chief Adam Glueck, of the Cape Girardeau Police Department in southeastern Missouri, purchased electric shock gloves for his officers after learning about them at a trade show. And his employees, he said, couldn’t get enough of them. “If I try to take away the gloves from those officers at this point I think we may have a mutiny on our hands,” Glueck joked on a podcast interview a couple of years later. “They’ve grown really attached.”
> The shock gloves, he went on to explain, allow their wearer to inflict pain without leaving the sort of marks that could look bad to witnesses or leave an officer vulnerable to lawsuits.
> “In today’s society, you know, everybody’s filming everything, everybody has a cell phone,” Glueck said. If an officer punches someone on camera, that can go viral in an instant; even a standard taser leaves puncture wounds. But “the glove is low optic, and it looks better on video, and it looks better to those witnesses. With a glove, there are no burn marks or scars.”
Everyone's acting like this is uniquely dystopian, but compare it to what it's replacing: compliance holds and takedowns injure kids far more often than a shock glove would. If the alternative is an officer wrestling a teenager to the ground, this might genuinely be safer.
Horrifying life-or-death examples here. I totally understand the use of $1500 shock devices on schoolchildren now, looks like the lives of these officers were on the line and they were forced to use them as a last-ditch effort.
I'm looking forward to the rollout of shock collars for automated dispensing of justice on these evil monsters, such as kids who say 'no' or try to get into their school when the officer doesn't want them to. Wouldn't want the cops to put themselves in danger by approaching these future violent criminals.
Remember - these examples were probably selected as the best at showing why these gloves are so necessary. They're putting their best foot forward here.