China's Regulators Take Aim at "AI Boyfriends" (spectrum.ieee.org)
58 points by andai 17 days ago | 57 comments



KronisLV 17 days ago | flag as AI [–]

I kinda feel like if people have to turn to AI for companionship, it's the same as using AI for therapy - because the real thing isn't available and any number of systems have failed those people along the way.

In a sense, that might be a bit telling of the modern day society: in what world is it so difficult to make meaningful connections to people, that if a real human relationship can be like 5x more meaningful (made up numbers, but surely people will agree that a real relationship can have more depth) than whatever the AI can provide, and people still choose that over the real thing? Or maybe the average person kind of sucks, or the way relationships are treated sucks, or maybe the AI is like crack for impressionable brains, or people don't want a real relationship and just want some sycophantic whatever, I don't know.

Maybe it's a numbers game and some people will never find that for real (gender skew, demographics etc.), maybe it's a failing at those people not being properly socialized, maybe they themselves have something that society doesn't value ("Be yourself! No, not like that."), or just aren't pleasant for any number of reasons, don't have a third place to go for, don't have money to go and partake in social activities, have been brainwashed by hateful social media propaganda or any other mix of circumstances.

Feels like it's probably easier to ban AI and pretend all of the other issues don't exist, rather than addressing them.

johnea 17 days ago | flag as AI [–]

A friend is in China right now.

I spent some time on the phone with him the other day, as he wandered around the city where he's working.

It was Sunday there, most people's day off, and he was amazed at how many people were out in the public parks, playing chess and go, kids on the playground equipment. inter-generational interaction.

His impression was that China has a much higher level of people randomly interacting with other's IRL than here in the US.


Yes, Gov's require populations to have "real" offspring. Authoritarian or not, this makes sense. IMO its only a matter of time before some version of this hits the US; if it has not already.
glouwbug 17 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Zero AI child policy
simonsen 17 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Zero AI child policy, enforced how? Somebody has to detect it. Chatbots are just an API call behind a VPN. Someone gets paged to chase unlicensed boyfriends at 3am. Good luck with that in prod.

That will only be true until it occurs to them to tax robotic productivity. This whole issue feels like a temporary one.

Maybe we can have the government provide token quotas as you have offspring.

Zero children = you (the parent) get zero tokens

One child = the parents get 18-years worth of tokens

Two children = the parents get 2 x 18-years worth of tokens

...

ahayes 17 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Small nit: the Chinese rules target companion bots, not chatbots generally, so a zero-token quota for childless people would go way past them. IIRC the draft just wants usage reminders and time limits for the companion apps. Funny idea though.

We need more meat for the meat grinder. You will reproduce.
anon-3988 17 days ago | flag as AI [–]

I wonder how this would effect products like Love and Deepspace. That gacha game is HUGE.
FMecha 14 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Knowing how big the meltdown it was, you would need to regulate parasocial interactions (of which AI partners are) in general too - beyond just regulating this (and gachas).

I legit thought the title was a linguistic euphemism targeted at dario and sama.
tcdent 17 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Is this "pacing the frontier"?
verdverm 17 days ago | flag as AI [–]

As a society, we do need to think about what "responsible ai" means and how we legislate for it without over regulating Ai outright
zinodaur 17 days ago | flag as AI [–]

I hope the rest of the world follows suit. Can you imagine the human misery venture capital could inflict by pursuing this vertical?
tom97 17 days ago | flag as AI [–]

I worked near a companion-app startup a few years back, and the retention dashboard was the whole problem. Lonelier users stayed longer, so every product decision nudged that way. Mandatory usage reminders and time limits, like China's proposing, are the only guardrail I saw that did anything.

Yes, it already exists and it's called dating apps

The CCP trying to get fertility rates up by cracking down on lesbians, paying money for children and now cracking down on whatever this is.

It's no use, though. You need a good economic and social outlook to get people to even consider having children. And this ain't it.

bakugo 16 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Indeed. Impoverished third world countries are known for having very low birthrates.
fragmede 17 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Given comparison reports between people's opinions of AI and the future between China and the US, I think it is.

Personally no amount of social outlook would want me want children. I simply don't want to have them I don't like raising or interacting with children it's just not in my nature and I really feel like a lot of that has to do with how people are nurtured.
bchen 16 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Evidence on companion chatbots and loneliness is thin so far. A few short-term studies show some relief, but I'm not aware of good long-term data. So regulators are acting on speculation either way, and the birth-rate framing is a separate bet entirely.