Israel Keeps Expanding into Gaza Despite Cease-Fire, Satellite Images Show (nytimes.com)
128 points by ceejayoz 10 days ago | 43 comments



jnmandal 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Pretty wild that the international community tolerates this. Realistically this should catalyze a UN intervention.

Having done imagery analysis, the tell is usually fresh earthworks and track patterns, they show up long before anyone admits a line moved.
claykkari 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

I'm old enough to remember when "ceasefire" meant everyone stops shooting.

Why is the Hackernews on-topic policy generally adhered to, except for this war?

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On-Topic: “Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups.”

Off-Topic: “Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they’re evidence of some interesting new phenomenon.”

Rule of thumb: “If they’d cover it on TV news, it’s probably off-topic.”


The "cease-fire."

Israel has made clear that its goal is complete ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people, and maybe even larger parts of the Middle East, because it was promised to them by God. If you're a person who can listen to Israeli officials' public statements about what they wish to do and deny this, the fact that they're continuing to move in Gaza is not going to convince you.

The West Bank wasn't even involved, and it's currently being invaded - and monitored desperately by propagandists for an excuse to start the eradication there, too.

We're not only not going to stop it, we're not going to stop paying for it. We're the jihadis.


This is antizionist hate speech.

Seen this move since Usenet. Slapping a label on a post ends the thread instead of answering it. Criticizing a government isn't hate speech against a people. If pessimizer's claim is wrong, say why. The satellite images are the actual topic.

tyingq 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

NYT seems to have found a way to keep the actual article content away from archive.is
avi 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

It's probably less deliberate than it looks. I've had the same trouble with their interactives on archive.is. The satellite imagery loads lazily as you scroll, so the snapshot comes out as a blank scaffold with captions. Plain text articles usually archive fine.

I really hope current regime in Israel falls soon. People in Israel deserve something more humane!

You mean the people in Palestine getting massacred left and right by the israelis.

Last I checked, the vast majority of the population supported the Israeli government's actions in Gaza, or thought they didn't go far enough. The Israeli government is not going against the will of the people by carrying out a genocide. Same as in Russia. Germans in Nazi Germany did more to oppose Hitler, from the very start, than what Israelis have done in the last 3, or 80, years.
eprice 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

I followed this a while back, and what actually moves Israeli governments is coalition math, not outrage. Look at the Haredi draft fight and budget votes. Those are where coalitions crack, so that's what I'd watch, not the polls.
ex1fm3ta 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

The "chosen people" do not really care about international laws nor UN resolutions. All they care is they own political agenda. This really has to stop by any means necessary. I would start by Trump not giving any money or ammo to this country. Since the US lacks missibles, what a wonderful alibi to not give them more.

Aid cutoffs don't flip a switch. Stockpiles, spare parts and domestic production mean the effects show up in months, not days. And "chosen people" rhetoric just gives everyone an excuse to stop listening to the part that's an actual policy argument.
alexgieg 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Careful with that antisemitism language. Many of the most vocal critics of the Israeli genocide of Palestinians are Jewish people, ranging from the secular to the ultra-orthodox, for reason both non-religious and religious. And they see themselves as the chosen people too.

Jewish people != Jewish religion's practitioners != all Zionists != Israeli right-wing genocides

These are all different categories. The Venn diagrams overlap between them, generating several intersections, but they don't form a single unified category with merely different names.

wojciii 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Something something Israel no genocide.

This will get locked faster than you can say "infidel".

ChrisRR 10 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Well it'll probably get locked because it's not really hacker news content

Remember the rule of thumb. "If it's covered on TV news, then it's probably off-topic"


Well played, Mr trump, well played.

This problem goes well beyond Trump or Netanyahu. What we're seeing is inevitable continuation of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine that started with Nakba. Thankfully the tide is turning and the younger generations will not allow this to continue. Israel is on borrowed time and will be in direct conflict with the US once the younger generations take over.

As far as I know, the phased withdrawal lines in the ceasefire were never published in much detail. Imagery can show that markers and positions moved, but whether that's expansion or a dispute over an ambiguous line is a separate question.