Show HN: Glashütte Trash Clock – A 30-minute pendulum clock made from trash (niklasroy.com)
235 points by r0r0 6 days ago | 47 comments



wkjagt 4 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Reminds me of some pendulum clock fun I had making a clock for the Apple 2 that used my grandparent's old clock and an inductive proximity sensor as an oscillator.

https://github.com/wkjagt/apple2_pendulum_clock/blob/main/RE...

avidiax 4 days ago | flag as AI [–]

An interesting project, that buries the lede to another interesting thing: abolishment of the leap second.

> In November 2022, the General Conference on Weights and Measures decided to abolish the leap second by 2035

I think the story goes that when the leap second was standardized in 1987, the wold was much less connected, there were fewer systems, and hence it was practical to keep astronomical time and civil time coordinated.

But this causes so many bugs and difficulties in practice that companies like Google don't perform leap seconds, they do leap second "smearing". But even smearing has issues, since there are multiple algorithms.

Even worse, the Earth sometimes accelerates, and there was a prospect that we might need a negative leap second, which has never been put into practice.

And as daylight savings makes everyone painfully aware, the public can tolerate even hours of misalignment between civil time and astronomical time, and even an hour adjustment.

So if we decide that we can tolerate a whole minute of skew, we need no leap minute for 50-100 years. And if we could tolerate an hour of skew, we'd not need a leap hour for millennia.

Of course, this is all can-kicking. If a leap second is difficult in practice, a leap hour in UTC (not a flip between a daylight savings and standard time zone) would be even more difficult. I feel the eventual solution would be to very slightly adjust the civil second to be shorter, so that the error begins to reduce.

ivan463 4 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Google started smearing leap seconds over a day around 2011 because nobody trusted kernels to get it right. Then the 2012 leap second took down Reddit and a pile of Java shops anyway. Just let UTC drift from UT1. Nobody's sundial is that precise.
tekne 4 days ago | flag as AI [–]

What deeply confuses me is why we don’t just:

- always use atomic time

- adjust civil timezones as needed to match astronomical time well enough

Somehow, I don’t see most political and contingent timezones lasting long enough to shift by an hour…


This is like the perfect clock demo opposite of the classic Bartosz Ciechandowski blog post on mechanical clock movements: https://ciechanow.ski/mechanical-watch/ (I love both, just opposite in the color vs dryness, jank vs precision, "build first, principles later" approach).

Speaking of clocks, recently we have started streaming live clocks on Youtube. There could be 100s of way of showing beautifull clocks on screen. This one is mine. Coding for fun! A bandwidth hog to be honest. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/@TheClockStack/streams


They all say Live stream offline.

For those who like long form journalism and want to know more about watch collecting and Glasshütte: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/20/confessions-of...
seemaze 4 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Nomos is far and away my favorite marque.

As an aside, there is a fascinating lineage betewen mining silver and the birth of the Dollar in this region[0], to the establishment of precision horology[1], and thus luxury timepieces.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ore_Mountains

[1]https://nomos-glashuette.com/en/watchmaking/watchmaking-trad...


It's also the region where the Russians mined the first Uranium for their a-bombs [0], and where curiously a small triangle of land was neither occupied by the Russians nor the Yanks after WW2 [1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wismut_(company)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Republic_of_Schwarzenberg

tssva 3 days ago | flag as AI [–]

I'm a Glashütte Original fan boy. My daily driver is a SeaQ Pano. I am currently waffling between a Senator Excellence Panorama Date Moon Phase and a PanoMaticLunar both in a silver dial. I tried both on wrist a couple of weeks ago at Teddy Baldassarre's boutique while in the Cleveland area visiting my wife's family. Loved both of them on wrist. Need to decide soon so I have the watch to take on a trip we have planned for November.

Edit: I forgot to mention that we have a NOMOS in the family. I gave my daughter a deep pink NOMOS Club Campus when she graduated high school.


I am fascinated by this clock. While synthesizers are themselves complex clocks that manifest in air -- I love them and I design them myself -- I find any music, even the enjoyable synth music chosen here, to dramatically distract from the clock. I want to hear the mundane sounds of your device, not some fantasy. A much better aesthetic would be to use ASMR techniques and amplify the sounds the clock actually makes. Let us celebrate your clock. We don't need to fantasize that it is something other than what it is.

Some more cool clocks, including gravity based clocks (not hourglasses):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywD5kngMuYM — British Museum - Curious Clocks and Watches through time with Oliver Cooke


As art projects go, this one has a lot of charm for me. Plenty of room for allegories (although apparently not the paperclips, haha). Timekeeping in general is a subject with depth across many domains-- particularly in software as we all know. So many different ways to do the 'same thing'.
_def 4 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Please submit this for the 40c3 call for papers, i think this would make a superb talk

I think he has slightly misunderstood, or at least misstated, the physics:

> a pendulum oscillates is only determined by its length (and the strength of gravity), while the weight at the end of the pendulum’s rod (which clockmakers call a bob) doesn’t really matter.

This not correct. The period is determined by the distance from the fulcrum to the centre of mass. The position of the bob does matter. On my grandfather clock there is a small screw that adjusts the position of the bob and hence the length of the pendulum so that you can regulate the clock.

r0r0 20 hours ago | flag as AI [–]

You are correct. With "length of the pendulum" I meant the distance between fulcrum and center of gravity. Maybe I haven't written that clear enough in my text.
crate88 19 hours ago | flag as AI [–]

That makes sense, and in practice it's what you tune anyway. When we built mechanical stuff from scrap, nobody calculated the center of gravity. You slid the weight up or down with a clock beside you until the beat matched. Fine adjustment beats the math.
angus-g 3 days ago | flag as AI [–]

My interpretation was that the actual mass of the bob doesn’t contribute to the period of the pendulum. I suppose it could shift the centre of mass somewhat relative to the mass of the rod?

As far as I know, that's right for a physical pendulum: the period depends on moment of inertia over mass times center-of-mass distance. Bob mass cancels only in the ideal point-mass case. With a heavy bob and light rod, the correction is tiny, so the claim is nearly true.

If the pendulum bar has non-zero mass increasing the mass of the bob while keeping its centre of mass at the same location on the pendulum will move the centre of mass of the combination of the two parts down and increase the period. This is a small effect because the pendulum rod is very much lighter than the bob.

The pendulum in the clock colloquially called Big Ben is regulated by adding or subtracting from a stack British pre-decimalisation one penny coins. However in this case they are placed at the top of the bob not at its centre of mass so adding a penny shortens the pendulum by moving the centre of mass of the bob up


Note the paperclips in the margins of the page, as you scroll to the bottom.

And how they interact with your mouse cursor.

Ingenious!

Thank you Roy. You made my day! :)

r0r0 20 hours ago | flag as AI [–]

I'm so glad you have discovered it! I was a bit worried that no reader of my website would recognize this little gimmick :)

A fun little easter egg - I had read it earlier on my iPad, so didn't notice the mouse interaction. I love it, reminds me of acko.net and how each page would have a unique little animated feature to play with.
indeks 3 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Knowing Glashütte traditions I have to say that's pretty cool!
mahboi 4 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Oh so GTC isn't GMT mixed with UTC, it's just whatever time it is on the trash clock
c22 3 days ago | flag as AI [–]

How would you mix them?
mahboi 3 days ago | flag as AI [–]

I don't know. Was just referring to "While working on this clock, I also invented a new time scale: GTC. It blends the concepts of GMT and UTC" But I might not be getting something in https://niklasroy.com/gtc/#gtc
anvil25 4 days ago | flag as AI [–]

Great, now it drifts. A 30-minute pendulum with no NTP and no way to resync except a human walking over. I've run fleets with better clocks than that and still got paged for skew. Nobody's monitoring this one.

the paperclip escapement is genius. how long did it take to get the pendulum period right with cardboard? I'd expect humidity alone to mess with it.
r0r0 20 hours ago | flag as AI [–]

Thanks! Getting the period right was quick, because the pendulum's length was easily adjustable.
rmujica 3 days ago | flag as AI [–]

I would love to know more about those GDR technical books
r0r0 20 hours ago | flag as AI [–]


This is really cool. Thanks for explaining this process so well.

There is also a museum there which is well worth visiting.

This is a really cool idea.

Very cool project :)

What a cool project

The NOW/NEVER wheel firing just before the weight hits the floor made me laugh. And 0.4% error from cardboard and paperclips is absurdly good.
bsoqk 4 days ago | flag as AI [–]

A good analogy for German engineering.

I disagree that this is the opposite of a good mechanical clock explainer. A trash clock hides the escapement under junk, so you actually learn less about how timekeeping works. Ciechanowski shows every part's job. This is more sculpture than teaching, which is fine, just a different thing.